It always surprises me that people are still surprised that freedom of religion and speech is not guaranteed in the EU because they never had a durable libertarian revolution before ‘uniting the states’.
Anony Mous
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Jehovah's witness cannot perform marriages in Norway
by blondie inhttps://cne.news/article/3409-norwegian-court-maintains-jehovah-s-witnesses-ban-on-sealing-marriage .
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Customers being frozen out of their bank accounts for political views is a very worrying trend ...
by LoveUniHateExams inyeah, so i know nigel farage is a bit of an abrasive twat.. he no doubt holds views that other people disagree with.. but that doesn't mean his bank can just tell him to sod off and freeze his accounts.. such a thing might go on in commie china or authoritarian russia.
no doubt hitler closed lots of jewish people's accounts in nazi germany, too.. but the fact that it is happening here, in the yew-kay, is pretty chilling when you consider this country is supposed to champion freedoms, including the one to hold and express varying political views.. this seems to be part of a trend to delegitimise and cancel people who hold certain views.. i remember looking at a yt video of richard dawkins questioning muslim journalist mehdi hassan about his belief in flying horses and muhammad.
all fair analysis and criticism by dawkins until he suggested that hassan shouldn't be a journalist because of his beliefs.
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Anony Mous
I don’t have a problem with private banks doing whatever they want, however, when government pressure is born, they are no longer private but agents of the people (in the US) or the crown (in the UK) and must comply with those rules and regulations.
Due to the monarchy in the UK however I don’t see any legal or other recourse other than a revolution as the King or Prime Minister can just snap his fingers, suspend parliament and everything in the UK reverts to the political whims of the crown.
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Hot sht hospital liaison
by road to nowhere inwife in.
bro high opinion of self stopped.
he is part of hlc, but was alone.
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Anony Mous
How did he know you’re there?
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A little bit of biblical Math
by psyco injacob had 13 children (am i wrong?
): 12 boys and 1 girl.. if you flip a coin 13 times, the probability to have 12 heads is about 0.002!.
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Anony Mous
I think you are wrong, but even if you aren’t, gender of a child isn’t a coin flip, some males only give off one type of chromosome, which makes it entirely possible the only female was not his.
“All of his [Jacob’s] sons and daughters got up to comfort him . . .” (Genesis 37:35).
“His [Jacob’s] sons and grandsons, his daughters and his granddaughters—all of his descendants he brought with him to Egypt” (Genesis 46:7)
The verses both give multiples for both sons and daughters; they weren’t named though and given this is a mythical person unlikely we will ever find out any contemporary documents detailing anything. -
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Only one weekly meeting?
by mikeflood innew wt october 2023....first an article remembering 1923....they make changes, the had a "prayer, praise and testimony weekly meeting".. after an study article about obey, specially paragraph 18.. i have a wild guess, next year, just one weekly meeting for the borg..
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Anony Mous
@St George: Upkeep is a really expensive part of owning a building. Less upkeep such as heating/cooling/water/maintenance is more money that gets sent to the branch, less buildings, means more density, even if you lose a little bit of donations per congregation, doubling or tripling the number of congregations per building means a bigger revenue per building.
Then there is also the psychological effect of having a lot more traffic at a building vs having a few cars pull in and out at night makes the building look a lot more popular than it actually is. Becoming a mega-church every weekend will make some people ooh and aah.
I think they know they’re at rope’s end with expansion, now it’s just a matter of improving efficiency of what they have so they can stretch it as long as possible.
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Only one weekly meeting?
by mikeflood innew wt october 2023....first an article remembering 1923....they make changes, the had a "prayer, praise and testimony weekly meeting".. after an study article about obey, specially paragraph 18.. i have a wild guess, next year, just one weekly meeting for the borg..
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Anony Mous
Well, they’ve always held the Sunday speaker to be the only ‘public’ meeting, the Watchtower study isn’t considered part of that ‘public’ meeting. Wouldn’t surprise me if they started adding a 15 minute break to allow “others” to leave and make the Watchtower study private and combine it with the “service meeting”.
Having an hour long Watchtower study on a simplistic topic question and read the answer has always been very boring and drawn out and simplifying the language last decade hasn’t helped.
A 30/15 break/30/15 minute meeting schedule would still be shorter than the 2+ hours we grew up with, then followed by an almost mandatory Saturday or Sunday “going out in service at least 60 minutes after the service meeting” isn’t outside the realm of possibilities - all your minimum responsibilities as a JW fall into a 4 hour slot every Saturday or Sunday morning/afternoon/evening which is on par with many other churches in the US (you typically don’t go out in service, but many do events/outreach/charity after church).
That schedule can cram up to 8 congregations per building with no heating costs every day of the week, forbid the elders from using the hall for their own damned meetings, as they already told them to pull back critical documents from the building and minimize the library, there is literally no reason except perhaps a CO visit or pioneer school to use the hall during the week.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Open Historic Museum in Edo
by Bangalore injehovah’s witnesses open historic museum in edo .. https://punchng.com/jehovahs-witnesses-open-historic-museum-in-edo/.
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Anony Mous
Interesting location, that area recently got an injection of funds ($118M) for building roads and ‘social projects’ such as museums. I wonder how much came out of the pocket of the local congregations and governments, vs “the worldwide fund”
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Only baptised JWs will make it?
by ExBethelitenowPIMA ini think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?
then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.
most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.
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Anony Mous
We all know that the WTBTS doesn’t follow what is in the scriptures and (mis)interprets it solely based on what they need in the here and now.
The WTBTS is pretty clear, we can’t judge but we know it won’t be you unless you’re baptized.
Not that it’s relevant, Christianity does generally not revolve around a doomsday scenario.
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If You Can Remember When This Was Displayed in the KH - You Ain't No Spring Chicken!
by mikronboy in.
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Anony Mous
I remember something similar, although I don’t recall it being published, but someone somewhere did keep track because if you didn’t make the quota, you were sure to get a talking to. And I vaguely remember the price lists when I was really young, so much for a watchtower, so much for awake, so much for a book or a Bible.
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Is Disfellowshipping properly legislated?
by Rattigan350 inin the insight book under expelling, it refers to 1 cor 5 and titus 3 and 2 thess 3 as the basis for disfellowshipping.they've often said that the governing body was stated in acts 15 of the apostles and older men.
however, why was there no decree or letter issued by the governing body or apostles and older men and sent out to the congregations, detailing the principles of disfellowshipping?
it is all paul.
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Anony Mous
As far as the biblical account, I think people really should be looking at the exegesis of all Christian scripture, not just what is in the Bible.
The Bible as most people know it is a filtered version fitted to a particular branch of Christianity. Like the WTBTS has its own ‘translation’ that adds and removes certain components based on their own interpretation, the King James has the same ‘problem’.
Beyond that, Peter denied Christ and was still forgiven, the Pauline letters recount a single incident which does not match general consensus in ANY other scripture. Jewish scripture even pre-Christianity (eg. Sirach which was ~150BC), already mentions forgiveness needs to be given BEFORE prayer can be accepted, which is also what Jesus said (leave your offering at the altar and go make peace or if you do not forgive, neither can the father) and both Pauline and others reflect the same sentiment.
Hence 1 Cor cannot refer to excommunication or shunning from a church (the cutting off of salvation as the WTBTS teaches) because by doing so, the church would put itself as a mouthpiece of God, because only God can make a perfect judgment and only God can perfectly forgive. It talks about discipline, and still accepting that person as a brother (2 Thess 3:15). So if you need ‘the church’ to excommunicate (withdraw salvation) and ‘the church’ to reinstate (restore salvation or provide forgiveness), you are elevating the people in the church to be channeling the divine, which would imply, based on the exegesis of scripture, this is akin to spiritism in the WTBTS elder bodies.